Journal sites - 20 years ago
Jan. 27th, 2019 10:52 amSo, I came across this via network -
Social Media, 20 Years Ago
- It's an interview with people who were involved in the first personal journal sites at the earliest points: OpenDiary, Diaryland, and Livejournal. I found it pretty neat.
It's a podcast, I think, but transcript is provided. Anyway, it brought back a whole rush of memories of my first experiences with online diaries/journals, of course! I started my Livejournal in 2002, but I had a OpenDiary quite a while before that. I think my early experiences with these sites affected the way that I use and approach the idea of online journals, even now.
OpenDiary was very... this came first, and felt like a very personal space. It was somewhere to write about your day, not somewhere for fandom or for Essays and Articles of the type a lot of people think of when they think about modern-day blogging. You could add friends on there, but from what I remember, there wasn't a "friends page" like LJ had, where all of the recently-posted entries from people you'd added displayed; instead there was a page where the people you'd added would be marked in bold, but you still had to click through manually to see the entries. And from what I recall there wasn't much of a search - you could search users, but I don't recall any kind of interest search or entry search. And there weren't communities, either.
It sounds kind of lonely when I put it that way. But I still feel kind of nostalgic for the format, even if I probably wouldn't start an OD now. (Yes, it still exists!)
Here's something that jumped out at me. First, a comment from Lisa Phillips, who was a sysadmin for Livejournal:
And then continuing from there, commentary from Bruce Ableson, founder of OpenDiary:
These illustrate the differences in the way I used OpenDiary and Livejournal pretty well, I think. OpenDiary was always just that - a diary, a very personal online space. But when I first started using Livejournal, it was a real-life space! Almost all of the people I had added on there were people I knew from school. That's how I managed to get one in the first place; somebody from school gave me an invite code. This was before anyone that I knew had Facebook; we used LJ to keep up with each other instead.
I usually don't see people mention OpenDiary when they talk about early blogging sites. But I think it might be because I usually see these conversations in the context of fandom use, and as far as I know there wasn't really a big "fandom presence" on OD. There were people who were fans of things, sure, but I don't know of anybody who was using the site as a fandom hub in the same way that people were doing fandom on LJ. This might be partly due to the limited search and lack of communities on OD, but I really don't know. If anybody does know something about this, I would be really interested in hearing about it.
Because I was so used to thinking of Livejournal as an RL-centric space, it took me a very long time to start using it for fandom in any real capacity, even though lots of people were using it for that. Not until 2009 or so! It still seems very new-to-me to use it that way, even if lots of people were using it that way before that. And I think the "personal journal, RL-centric" thing might partly contribute to the fact that I never really warmed up to using communities, though I can't really say for sure.
ANYWAY... The above stuff - the use of a journal as an actual journal - is why so many of my entries are about trivial real-life things. ;)
And before I wrap this up, I'll just say that I found this comment from Ableson to be rather hilarious:
GEEZE, DUDE. Look at the mess you unleashed on the world. xD
Social Media, 20 Years Ago
- It's an interview with people who were involved in the first personal journal sites at the earliest points: OpenDiary, Diaryland, and Livejournal. I found it pretty neat.
It's a podcast, I think, but transcript is provided. Anyway, it brought back a whole rush of memories of my first experiences with online diaries/journals, of course! I started my Livejournal in 2002, but I had a OpenDiary quite a while before that. I think my early experiences with these sites affected the way that I use and approach the idea of online journals, even now.
OpenDiary was very... this came first, and felt like a very personal space. It was somewhere to write about your day, not somewhere for fandom or for Essays and Articles of the type a lot of people think of when they think about modern-day blogging. You could add friends on there, but from what I remember, there wasn't a "friends page" like LJ had, where all of the recently-posted entries from people you'd added displayed; instead there was a page where the people you'd added would be marked in bold, but you still had to click through manually to see the entries. And from what I recall there wasn't much of a search - you could search users, but I don't recall any kind of interest search or entry search. And there weren't communities, either.
It sounds kind of lonely when I put it that way. But I still feel kind of nostalgic for the format, even if I probably wouldn't start an OD now. (Yes, it still exists!)
Here's something that jumped out at me. First, a comment from Lisa Phillips, who was a sysadmin for Livejournal:
...people who are not on LiveJournal would ask me kind of like, "How do you know what's going on; how do you know the gossip?" "Oh, you gotta read LiveJournal; everybody's on there."
And then continuing from there, commentary from Bruce Ableson, founder of OpenDiary:
One of the key differences we saw between LiveJournal and Open Diary was what Lisa described with LiveJournal where groups of people who knew each other would use it. Sort of like how Facebook is now was much more prevalent on air than Open Diary. Open Diary tended to be more people who are posting their personal things that they didn't wanna put somewhere else. And didn't necessarily invite their friends and family to come in
These illustrate the differences in the way I used OpenDiary and Livejournal pretty well, I think. OpenDiary was always just that - a diary, a very personal online space. But when I first started using Livejournal, it was a real-life space! Almost all of the people I had added on there were people I knew from school. That's how I managed to get one in the first place; somebody from school gave me an invite code. This was before anyone that I knew had Facebook; we used LJ to keep up with each other instead.
I usually don't see people mention OpenDiary when they talk about early blogging sites. But I think it might be because I usually see these conversations in the context of fandom use, and as far as I know there wasn't really a big "fandom presence" on OD. There were people who were fans of things, sure, but I don't know of anybody who was using the site as a fandom hub in the same way that people were doing fandom on LJ. This might be partly due to the limited search and lack of communities on OD, but I really don't know. If anybody does know something about this, I would be really interested in hearing about it.
Because I was so used to thinking of Livejournal as an RL-centric space, it took me a very long time to start using it for fandom in any real capacity, even though lots of people were using it for that. Not until 2009 or so! It still seems very new-to-me to use it that way, even if lots of people were using it that way before that. And I think the "personal journal, RL-centric" thing might partly contribute to the fact that I never really warmed up to using communities, though I can't really say for sure.
ANYWAY... The above stuff - the use of a journal as an actual journal - is why so many of my entries are about trivial real-life things. ;)
And before I wrap this up, I'll just say that I found this comment from Ableson to be rather hilarious:
So the second night the site was live, I wrote the code for what we call "notes," that in which were comments, and it was the first time comments had been put at the bottom of a page of content.
And I'm sorry about that.
GEEZE, DUDE. Look at the mess you unleashed on the world. xD